Saturday, April 14, 2007

Physical healing

Greetings! There seems to be two main theological views on the subject of physical healing that I wanted to discuss; the first thought is that God allows and very often gives sickness to people to help them grow in the Christian walk (this is not to say that it is His highest will for an individual to be sick but that He permits it in certain situations). The second view is that sickness is not of God and that He does not give or allow but merley tolerates sickness within humans. I am of the second view and will explain why, however, I must stress that this is a personal opinion, it is not prophetic and its view is not necessarily shared by other contributors of MercyPeaceGrace.

The main issue for me is that in mainstream Christian circles there is this theology that God gives or allows sicknesses in people to build character, or make them better people etc. The problem I have with this, practically speaking in ministry, is that I think it can do great holistic damage to people (and the Body) if it were in fact not His will for people to be sick.
When I pray for people it is always just by being an open vessel and letting God do the healing through me. Sometimes my hand fills with energy and when I place it on the sick area it shakes, when the shaking stops I 'know' the healing is completed. The issue is that when I am being used in this manner my thoughts are always on the sacrifice of Christ in making it possible, and, on the uncompromising Goodness of God – this is to say that there is no doubt that God is willing to heal and will heal, no doubts at all! My concern is that for me this is a faith aspect, because if I do not agree with Him for the healing and instead agree with the Devil through doubt, then the sick person suffers if the faith component does not release His healing power. If I start questioning particular cases or Gods healing/loving character is specific situations then the healing will not occur. This is not to say that healing is conditional on me, but very often it is conditional on faith (as seen by the fact that Jesus was unable to heal people because of their lack of faith and the commending of peoples faith who are healed by Christ).
I could be wrong but it seems to me that those who have the theology of a healing God at all times and in all situations have far greater fruit then those who hold the view that God gives or allows sickness and disease (which can be a great foot hold to doubt and fear!) Indeed, all the ‘spiritual giants’ of today do not hold the view that sickness is a gift from a loving God used to improve people; In fact, every great healer I have seen does not hold this view. This is not to say that if you believe God wills sickness on people that God won’t use you to heal others, but I dare say these are in the great minority and do not have close to the fruit of those who hold God as healer no matter what.
I must point out that I 100% hold the view that God does use sickness and disease, physical ailments etc in turning the worst situation into the greatest good, but I simply (almost frustratingly) cannot in turn say that God gives people sicknesses or even allows them (He does of coarse, tolerate them, as to not oppose the will). The will comes into play when the sickness is caused by a sin that will not be repented off, or one who simply will not agree with Him and receive there healing.
Knowing that it is a sensitive area, I still think it important to ask why is there a theology that God makes or allows people to be sick, and, I think that it is more often then not personal experience that leads people to this view – not Spirit guidance, not divine revelation, not the reading of Gods word, but personal experience. As an example, when someone gets sick, or loses someone close, they very often need justification, and so a spiritual, God-explaining theology is created, reducing the promise of Gods word to personal experience. But because they prayed an aunty Sally dies, does that mean it was His will? In turn, if I prayed for a three year old demonized child and they are not set free, does that mean it is Gods will? Do we then say that a Christian who dies from a long suffering illness failed to learn their lesson? In short, people with sickness or have had experiences with such scenarios are inevitably (at least subconsciously) bias on this matter. I believe people who have been through such situations have hurts, questions, and they want (read need) an answer to harmonise there hurt with a God they love. I do believe it is much more complicated, however, then to say “it must have been Gods will” . When it comes to healing, there are many, many reasons people are not healed, (generational curse, sin, emotional hurt being the root for physical trauma, faith, unforgiveness, etc – and even unique things as well) but does that make it His will or His portion for a person? Or, conversely, could it be that we are called to pursue a healing despite symptom, to trust In His love and character despite external appearance, to praise and glorify despite not understanding?
Further, as to why people are sometimes not instantaneously healed, I believe this greatly ties into spiritual warfare, something that is very neglected today! Daniel on occasion had prayers instantaneously answered, yet the physical result was not seen for 21 days). Could it be that we have to hold on to our healing, to contend for it, even when the answer is yes but there is no change to our symptom?
At this point I want to mention that I believe we are called to suffer, but suffering does not so much equate to physical inflictions but has much more to do with living between the tension of being a believer in an unbelieving world, of being set free and inflicted in a world that is in bondage and sickness.
Looking at the topic biblically, I honestly don’t think one can read His word and draw to the conclusion that God is an inflictor or Creator of sickness, but, it resonates with the complete opposite of a Lover, Healer, and Savior (from the penalty of sin - including sickness!)
Psalm 103 actually says in the same verse “forget not all his benefits – who forgives all your sins, and heals all your diseases”. The ‘forget not’ and ‘all’ I think are very interesting. This is not some obscure verse, there is a plethora of such claims, such as “say to this mountain and it will be removed” (can this mountain not be sickness?) or “they will lay there hand on the sick and they will be healed’ or Isaiah 53:4-5, ”Surely He has borne our greifs (sicknesses) and carried our sorrows [pains]; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. The words "griefs" and "sorrows" were translated from the Hebrew words choliy and mak'ob . This is an unfortunate translation because 'choliy' actually means "sickness" and mak'ob, "pain" (physical and mental). Or we can even look at Matthew 8:17 “This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases" and Isaiah 53:5 ”…the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.” It says that the chastisement that brought us "peace" was laid upon Jesus. In other words, Jesus was chastised so that we could have "peace". Now, the word "peace" is shalowm in Hebrew. Shalowm is a very rich Hebrew word. It does not just mean peace of mind or a nice peaceful feeling but 'shalown' actually means:
a) completeness (in number)
b) safety, soundness (in body)
c) welfare, health, prosperity
d) peace, quiet, tranquillity, contentment
e) peace, friendship
1) used of human relationships
2) with God especially in covenant relationship
To 'Go and heal the sick' is also a commision from Christ!
We can further note that the Bible tells us that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13), as the curse of the law includes sickness, then obviously we have been redeemed from sickness. Further, as sickness is a curse, how can we be both cursed and redeemed? Sickness steals our health and it is the devil who comes to kill, steal, and destroy (John 10:10). If Jesus paid for the penalty of our sin, how can He refund somthign that has already been bought?

These such verses are quite uncompromising. Indeed we can also drink poisons or be bitten by snakes, it is the same principle! Nowhere in the bible since the veil was torn is someone given a sickness by God who was His or desired to be free through Him.
I also think that we cannot say that it was His original intention to use sickness or give sickness as it was not in the garden of Eden, and He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow... there will be no sickness in the New Earth either! (Revelation 21:3-3).
The closest thign we can find in scripture of God giving or allowing a sickness in the New Coverannt is an Acts referenceto a man who was physically inflicted by God, but this man was an evil wizard who was not covered by Christs blood. I personally don’t think God will heal people of sickness if they do not love Him or will not turn to Him - in fact, He may heal people and they would not even seethe physical result!
It is true that People of God suffered through physical beatings in persecution; the difference is that the persecutors are not from or led of God. In fact, to say God allows disease is far worse then to say that He allows people (whom he loves so much) to be inflicted physically though beatings. Picture God with a fist punching someone or inflicting them with cancer, can one do this with peace or in Spirit and truth? I have no doubt that people have found Him through disease, but perhaps just as many or more have turned from Him or hate Him more because of it (let alone friends and family)? I dare say it is a false and unfruitful ‘salvation tool’.
Or look at the devouring nature of cancer, is this not the work of the Devourer mocking God and His children? Yet God as an inflictor of pain and torment is the theology of the masses (but put it a much nicer way – certainly no worship songs are sung about being blessed with a disease).
Why would God love someone so much to die for them, and then inflict them with the punishment Christ paid the penalty for? This is essentially saying the sacrifice of Christ was not enough, that further physical suffering is required as a penalty…it is watering down His blood and sacrifice.
I think also the example of Jesus is key in two aspects. Firstly, although Christ was 100% human and 100% Deity, in His earthly ministry He chose to act in His humanity only. This is staggering when we realize that Jesus did not once, ever, refuse anyone a healing. The same with the apostles, dare I say the same with us? He is our model, we are to be like Christ. Also, if we are to pray only for those who God specifically points out (which is admittedly a very safe and wise thing to do), then what are we to with those who request healing? How do you say to someone ‘God doesn’t want to heal you right now, but He does love you!” (?)
It could be seen as an astonishing coincidence that the multitudes who asked Jesus for healing were all, everyone of them, people who didn’t have sickness implemented by God to make them morally or spiritually better people. What about a Reinhard Bonke crusade where tens of thousands are physically healed in a single service? The same principle applies.
The second key example of looking at Jesus is in the context that Christ was and is the representation of the Father, His will and His heart. Why would it be that Jesus doesn’t refuse healing or give sicknesses but the Father does? I don’t think God is a respecter of persons, and His love and sacrifice are not conditional, but unconditional for those whom are willing to be healed in Him.
When Christ brought freedom on the cross, He brought freedom from all things evil, so how can He then say to someone ‘you can’t be healed right now’. How can He refund something that He had already bought? Salvation and deliverance/healing are often side by side in scripture, but no-one accuses God of not giving Salvation or declares that God will give salvation in the 'right time'; as Jesus said ‘It is finished’. In fact, when I pray for healing I am encouraged not to ask or petition it, but to be in agreement with the Great Healer and to partner with Him. The same thing for salvation: Would we dare say God won’t save some people? When I need to repent I don’t ask for forgiveness – it has already been bought! What I do is agree with God my mistakes and accept His gift of forgiveness.
Also, I believe that healing (on the page of John Wimber power evangelism) is a evangelical tool; this is to say that the God I know uses healing for salvation or repentance, not sickness. Imagine disciples going around inflicting people with sickness that they can improve spiritually!! No, we do the opposite, the way that reflects the Fathers heart and will. Faithfulness, long-suffering and patience are fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22), not fruit of our sufferings and illnesses. The more we walk in the Spirit and in the revelation of God's Word - not in sickness -the more fruit we bear.
A couple more thoughts:
We are called to, in the Lords prayer, to pray that ‘Thy Kingdom come on Earth as it is in heaven’, obviously there is no sickness in heaven!
Also, what about demons? Many diseases are as a direct result of demonic activity, and so would we say God puts demons in people to help them improve there character? Or substance addictions? Whatever enslaves you is your master.

Anyway, that had better do it, sorry this is so long it kind of just had a mind of its own! I’m sure there are many misunderstanding or holes in what I have written, please don't hesitate to point them out to me! I find it hard to attribute to God the work of the devil, but am still learning!

Realising I will likely be shot down for this post I emphasize that it is my theology at this point and is therefore my opinion, nothing else.
What are your thoughts on the subject?

Every blessing, Paul

15 comments:

Unknown said...

Paul, what a loooooooong discourse! I almost gave up part way through - good to see you thinking through a very difficult subject - which will draw out many different responses.
One comment on the subject:
Disease is a consequence of the fall - although we believers are redeemed, our world isn't yet it is still groaning, waiting for the day of redemption!
One comment on the actual writing:
Please use the spell-check!
Blessings!

Anonymous said...

A couple of comments - firstly, with regards to the ministry of Reinhard Bonnke, you state that "tens of thousands are physically healed in a single service" - what independent proof is there of this, or are you only going on the words of Bonnke himself? A simple google search will give you information about the false claims of this man, but try http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html for starters.
As to claims of healing in general, it seems that there is usually little real evidence of miraculous healing happening - I'm talking about serious illness, such as terminal cancer or full blown heart disease, not healings along the lines of "my headache's gone".

Lieutenant Jo said...

anonymous, you don't believe that God heals people today?

I don't understand... my God is omnipotent, all powerful, my God CAN heal anything and anyone!

May I just say, there are some people who will never believe no matter how much evidence they are presented with.. and thats really sad... don't be one of them. Test things for sure, but don't judge harshly... what if it IS God's work??

I have a video testimony from a man called Craig Marsh who was fully healed from the effects of stomach cancer (he practically had NO stomach due to surgical removal), a completely new stomach can't be explained away... (the doctors consider it a miracle, it can't be explained by science).

About the link.. one word... dodgy. Using dodgy claims to explain away supposedly 'dodgy' miracles is equals more dodgy!!!
Be very careful of these kinds of sites, they sideline people into full-time negativity and 'awareness-raising'. When Christians could be using their time more effectively for kingdom purposes, by preaching the gospel and seeing people saved!!!

God does miracles.
God wants people saved.
How complicated do we need to make it? He's God, you're not.

Anonymous said...

I believe God can and does heal, but for whatever reason it happens rarely. There are many examples of 'healing' ministries that have gone on for many years, extracting millions of dollars from desperate people and being able to provide little proof on any real, lasting and complete healing taking place. They are complete shams which prey upon the vulnerability of sick people, and it bothers me greatly when Christians are sucked into the lies and exaggerations of these people. It's an obvious response to my comments to say that people will not believe regardless of how much evidence they are presented with - the fact is that if tens of thousands are healed at Bonnke crusades and millions are healed at the various other healing services held over the years (whether a Benny Hinn crusade or the local church) there should be at least thousands of independently verifiable cases of miraculous healings having occurred. But there aren't.

MERCYPEACEGRACE said...

Thanks for all the posts! Anonymous I am aware of that site page on Bonnke and I personally find that the arguments made in it are ludicrous; it is run by a self appointed "Apologetics Coordination Team' that I believe have alot to answer for and 'bash' such men of God as Tony Campolo, William Braham, Bill Hybels, Rick Warren, Oral Roberts and many others. I'm not saying these men are perfect, but to label them heretics I think is very dangerous. That my little rant on that site :)
Bonnkes claims I think can be verified, I even own a dvd of 10 miracles that have occurred through his ministry that have been closely examined and verified. There is also prominent visual evidence and video testimony that iso ut there. I think that medical verification of miraculous healing is on the increase, but would also add that the vast majority are not in the West (simply because in other countries they do not have the medical facilities and so rely on God), but this does mean that the majority are in places where they are more difficult to verify by Western experts. Its probably worth mentioning that Bonkke has seen 1 million people saved in a single service, this as well would be easy to dismiss if it were not captured on video (I may post a video of Bonkke preaching the Gospel to 1.5 million people in a single service at a later date).
I believe it is fine to have an 'evangelical healing ministry', however I really hear what your saying about those who take or ask for money, which does reach the millions. People who need healing are often emotional, and it can be seen as 'preying' upon them financially, even if your healing ministry is legitimate. You mentioned Benny Hinn, I actually believe he is a great man of God, but, at the same time will be accountable to God for many things, especially the finances he gains from people.
What do others think?
What would the Army/Church look like if we no longer 'accepted' sickness within people?

james said...

wow! some great comments to a great blog!

"So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you..." Exodus23:25

Does God give the law to test and teach and says if you learn through that I will heal you? So I think i agree with you that God doesnt give sickness to teach, its actually the law... (hmmmm i still need more thinking on this...) and obediedience(often requiring faith) leads to restoration...

i find it fascinating that most healers agree with you!

I must say before this post i wasnt aware i was of the other view, but after looking at it i agree. Even with job God didnt send sickness to teach etc, He tollerated it.

I would say that God does use sickness, once its there, for His glory.

I also find it interesting, that if sickness is sent from God to teach, that those withthe gift of teaching dont make people sick to teach them things... My theology says that God uses people to get His work done, why doesnt He give us the ability to make people sick if that leads to people being taught etc???

Also, I often wonder about people who comment as 'anonymous' and disagree with something.

My understanding is people who wear masks are hiding something. What are you hiding annonymous? Come clean!

Paul, im glad you added at the end of your post you want people to comment whether for or against you. I know that you dont mind people disagreing with you! But if you disagree lets back it up and have a discussion not a slinigng fight...

Thanks for sharing about the shaking hand... we need to chat!

james said...

Also, i can verify heaps about physical healing

1) Brain cancer disappearing (friend in Perth)

2) Car crash victims (friends in BAnglades)

3) Sam, (was suppose to die, had a real bad back problem, saw ALL the specialists in the country, but after prayer was healed completely defying all medics and science and now has a beautiful wife and family)

4) Call Greensborough salvos ask for the prayer coordinator and speak to her about all the people who have been healed recently...

5) read your bible

Anonymous said...

Benny Hinn - "a great man of God" - once again I would ask that you do a simple google search or a youtube search and you will find a huge amount of information that woud refute your statement. James, what difference would identifying myself have? You would then to some degree cloud my comments dependent upon your opinion of me as a person - I would rather you take my comments as they are written. Also I don't think my comments can in any way be seen as a "slinging fight" - in this case I'm just asking that people show some discernment when looking at miracles and miracle workers. Perhaps you Salvo bloggers would rather have a little happy club where everyone agrees with everyone else, but seeing as how you put your thoughts into the public domain that can be seen by anyone and may have some influence on the lives of others (particularly the young and impressionable) I feel a need to sometimes question your beliefs and opinions.

james said...

how terrible would it be if young people started believeing in a God who still does miracles reguarly?!?! With faith like that we could move mountains!!!

im uncertain about benny hinn too but id love to hear what paul has to say about why he thinks hes a great man of God?

didnt mean to say you are slinging anon, just saying lets have a discussion with some substance...

i showed you some proof you wanted but u didnt comment, what do you think about my proof?

if we knew who u were we could see the fruit of your beliefs... we could also trust u more. u might have more authority if we knew who you were...

when reading the Bible my understanding of who God is helps me understand different passages better, maybe the same would work if u revealed yourself?

im sorry u think our perception of who u r isnt very good, i wonder if there is a reason for that?

anyway, im sick today, if anyone has an idea why that could be (ie ask God) let me know, id be interested...

MERCYPEACEGRACE said...

James I make the comment concerning Hinn because he is one whom is willing to put his name on the line for the sake of following the bible rather then convention. He is, I belive, a living represntative of what God calls us to be and the Christian life we are called to have as seen in Acts. Hinn, I think, is faithful to the commision of Christ more then just about any other: Healing the sick, preachign the Gospel, demonstrating Him with signs and wonders etc He cops a beating from 'concerned' Christians, yet he does not comprimise the Word like may others do. A quick story that I think illustrates Hinn: Two witches went to a Hinn conference to put a curse on him, one was teaching a younger witch how to do this (it seems Wiccans belive He is a man of God). Using the spiritual gift of discernmet and word of knowledge Hinn pointed out the two wiches in a crowd of thousands, told them he knows what hey are doing, told the teacher what her portion is - and told the younger thats she shall come to Christ soon. The young witch whom was called 'the fifth bride of Satan'did indeed come to Christ and tells all this in a testimony interview (which had nothing to do with Hinn) to Patricia King.
As mentioned I think Hinn has alot to answer for in terms of some of his spending habits and lifestyle choice, but that is between him and God.
In response to your last question, does there need to be a reason? As 'Rowelty' points out we live in a fallen world, but so did Jesus, so why not cast it away in His name and see what happens? :)

james said...

thanks for clarifying about Hinn! I need to admit I havent read his books but have heard from uni that he has some dodgey theology... Do you know what that might be? I'll try and find out too... I agree about the spending habits too, and also about him preaching etc but still need to hear a bit more of him to be sure...

I was thinking about the whole me being sick thing and actually came to that same conclusion this morning that it could simply be because of living in a fallen world... Ive had a few people pray for me but its not really getting any better...

What are the main reasons for people not getting healed? I know John Wimber prayed for stacks of people before one got healed so im not sure its always faith... (although alot of the time it is)What are some of the the other road blocks to not getting healed?

If some people have the gift of healing and others dont, could that mean Im just not asking those with the right gift?

Just asking questions, id love to learn more about healing... I'll try give you a call thisafternoon...

MERCYPEACEGRACE said...

I'm not really sure of the dodgy theology of Hinn, it may have something to do with a 'prosperity doctrine' but an not sure. I think he is primarily attacked because he operates in the Supernatural and his spending habits/wealth.
Some roadblocks I've identified to not getting healed are as follows (I could be wrong and there are prob many more)...
1.Sin -sin separates us from God and his healing power.
2. Lack of faith -Satan is a legalist and the opposite of faith - doubt - is agreement with the devil and not healing.
3. Generational curse -sicknesses and other things I believe can be passed on and these cursed need to be renounced.
4. Demons - a demon may be the source of the sickness and so deliverance may be required.
5. Emotional hurts/wound - sometimes these are buried, but often the root cause of physical is emotional or mental and so needs to be addressed.
6. Unforgivness- this prob falls into the sin category but is really important and often overlooked.
7. Spiritual warfare - the healing may have taken place but is held up in the spiritual realm/similarly there may just be immense spiritual opposition that needs to be prayed through.
8. Involvement in the occult or in possession of occult items.
8. Acceptance/tolerating sickness- what the original post is on
9. Substance abuse - this obviously needs to be let go if it is the cause
10. Not willing to let go - as bizarre as this may sound, sickness can become a 'part' or 'comfort' to a person that they find difficult to let go.
11. Motivation, is the 'healer' doing it for God's glory or some other motive?
12 Identification - sometimes the specific sickness and cause of the problem needs to be named.

If you can find someone with a gift for healing...great! However the word says it is the privilege of all believers to heal. You have the gift of healing and evangelism - maybe it’s about contending for it at the moment?
Also, something to meddle on... Jesus never 'prayed' for the sick -he healed them! Is 'praying' and 'healing in Jesus name' the same thing? Maybe prayer is petition which He has already granted...Jesus said we are 'to lay hands on the sick and to heal them (Mark 16:18) just as those in the early church did...

james said...

Thats really cool that you said that about praying vs healing...

Today i was talking to a guy from church with the gift of healing and he was saying He doesnt pray for it he just commands in the name of Jesus that people be healed!

jeff said...

Keep searching for the truth.
He will meet you and heal you too.

I have found that it is more fruitful and edifying to focus on what I am doing or not doing for the Lord. And less time scrutinizing others on how they are doing it. I'd hate people to judge me by what is being written about me on the internet. You?

Does anyone here think that if Jesus walked into your room right now, you would not instantly be healed of all your pain? Would the real presence of His love not heal you completely? If only in your spirit? And wouldn't that be enough to make us laugh and weep and shout?

So is He there with you now? Is he here with me? With us?

The question is not if this preacher or that preacher can heal or has a right to make the claims they make. The question is, can Jesus heal?

How can there be anything but one answer to that?

peace ~ God's p e a c e.

jeff said...

oh one more thing, I've been studyng and watching Hinn for sometime. Asking Jesus for clarity and discernment about him. Sometimes some of the people that claim healing in his crusades make me a bit skepitical of their testimony. But so far, when I watch Benny, when I listen to him and listen to his teaching from the Bible, I, so far, haven't been able to see anything but real sincerity that he is serving Christ as best as he knows how with the help of the Holy Spirit. It must be very difficult to stay on task with such a large group of spiritually and physically sick people following you everywhere you go. Can you imagine the pressure and weariness? It is good to question this, but to also look at each other through the eyes of love as Christ looks at us.

Look at what they said about Jesus because of the company he kept.

ok, I'm over it. God bless us.